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Vote NO on Proposition 8

Attention all California voters! Although I doubt there are many (if any) of you here on my f-list who are considering voting for Proposition 8, I thought I'd post this just in case there is anyone "on the fence" on this issue. If passed, Proposition 8 would eliminate the right of same-sex couples to marry, and add to our state constitution the limitation that marriage is between "one man and one woman." Earlier this year, our Supreme Court made the ground-breaking decision to allow same-sex couples the right to marry, and I do not want to see that right taken away. Not only is this a discriminatory policy which would treat some people differently - and unfairly - under the law, but the supporters of Prop 8 are airing ads filled with scare tactics and bigoted lies about the legislation. Among other things, they're saying that Prop 8 would mean children would be taught to be homosexual in schools, and that churches risk losing their tax exempt status. These things are so untrue as to be ridiculous (and unbelievable), but the fact is that Yes on 8 groups (mostly religious organizations from outside the state of California) have a lot of money to run their hate-filled campaign, and its possible that they'll convince enough people to vote for Prop 8 that it will pass, and overturn the progress we made earlier in the year.

If you live in California, I urge you to have a look at this website, and I further urge you to vote NO on Proposition 8. Preserve marriage equality for all people. Let's help California set a precedent that will make it easier for all GLBT people to have equal rights under the law in all places.

Also, if you have a minute, take a look at this video, created by several local Unitarian Universalist ministers, including happy_potterer (YAY AMY)! :)




If you are registered to vote in California, please vote No on Proposition 8 next month.

Comments

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chickadilly
Oct. 18th, 2008 05:30 pm (UTC)
I'm voting no and may I say that those pro-prop 8 ads make me SO mad! I want to throw something at the tv whenever they come on. I don't even watch that much tv but it seems like I see those damn ads all the time. Ugh.
chickadilly
Oct. 18th, 2008 05:33 pm (UTC)
P.S.
Just watched the video - nice job. Sometimes I really hate living down here - I was telling Bekki the other day I noticed while driving around town that I saw 8 pro prop 8 yard signs to every 1 anti sign. *sigh*
here_be_dragons
Oct. 18th, 2008 06:24 pm (UTC)
Re: P.S.
URGH! That would drive me crazy. Up here, I've only seen one pro-8 bumper sticker, and loads of No on 8 stickers. Same with the ratio of McCain to Obama stickers. It was worse where I used to live - San Ramon is more conservative than it is up here, I think.

Oh, and ads making me mad? I haven't seen any on television (I only ever watch things I've Tivo'd, so I skip through the ads), but there's one radio ad that makes me scream obscenities. I think I'm going to contact the radio station to let them know just how unhappy I am that they're allowing that shit to be broadcast on their station. I don't care if they're getting money to run the ads. They could make the choice to say no to those advertisers. Also, all their other advertisers are losing out now, because I turn off the station every time I hear the beginning of the Yes on 8 ad.

*GRRRRRRR*
chickadilly
Oct. 18th, 2008 06:44 pm (UTC)
Re: P.S.
They could make the choice to say no to those advertisers.

Are they running anti-prop8 ads too? I don't know if this is still the case but at one time the FCC required a station to run ads of both sides regarding political issues if they were going to run them at all. The station that I see running the pro ad the most also does run the anti- ad but they don't seem to be running the anti-ad nearly as often. (OF course it could be that I don't watch when they do - i usually have that station on in the background while I'm doing other stuff as they run local news.)

San Diego's kind of a weird place - the lifestyle is somewhat liberal, I think (Well, if you compare to other places that aren't northern Cali, that is) but people are politically conservative. Not everyone of course but there is a republican majority. I don't think it's as strong here as in OC but it's definitely here. I think the strong military presence has something to do with it. Just add it to the list of reasons I have mixed feelings about living here ... *sigh*
here_be_dragons
Oct. 18th, 2008 09:58 pm (UTC)
Re: P.S.
I don't know if they're running No on 8 ads. I don't listen to the radio very often anyway, and after that first time I heard the "Yes" ad, I've turned off the radio every time I've heard the ad run, so I'm listening even less than usual. I haven't heard a No ad, though, and I've heard the Yes one at least three times this week. So, I don't know. I don't know what the law is on this.

Oh, and that thing you mentioned elsewhere? I think you're right - I'd heard that was a big source of out-of-state funding. *sigh*
chickadilly
Oct. 19th, 2008 12:20 am (UTC)
Re: P.S.
Oh, and that thing you mentioned elsewhere? I think you're right - I'd heard that was a big source of out-of-state funding. *sigh*

Yeah, sort of silly because that state (er, that they're in) is radically different than California so really it's a matter of being In Control, I think - and that just bugs the shit out of me. *sigh*

Edited at 2008-10-19 12:20 am (UTC)
airemay
Oct. 18th, 2008 06:19 pm (UTC)
I can't wait to vote no against Prop 8. Horray for the man who changed the wording of this legislation so it fit what this is really about. I am sure that my mom's church has a campaign for Yes on Prop 8. They were supporting a similar bill back in 2000, I think.
here_be_dragons
Oct. 18th, 2008 06:27 pm (UTC)
Urgh. Hopefully your mom has more sense than to vote for it. (Although I won't hold it against you if she doesn't. I don't think my own mom is even registered to vote, and even though I've urged her to register, I'm sort of glad that she hasn't. She'd probably vote for McCain. Last time I spoke with her about politics, she was convinced that Bush was doing a really great job as president). *sigh*
airemay
Oct. 18th, 2008 06:45 pm (UTC)
My mom won't be voting for Prop 8 at all. In fact, she is quite the Obama fan! She is coming out of her political closet, as it were. She is also pro-life. :)
misstreebc
Oct. 18th, 2008 06:20 pm (UTC)
I've already sent in my absentee ballot dn voted a loud, resounding "No!" on 8. I hate the Yes on 8 ads! I want to throw something at the T.V. every time they come on!
here_be_dragons
Oct. 18th, 2008 06:26 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I scream obscenities at my radio when I hear the ad on my rock music station, and it makes me especially mad to know that the funding for those ads probably came from bigots who don't even LIVE in California. I really really really want this bullshit proposition to go down in flames.
moon_fox
Oct. 18th, 2008 06:38 pm (UTC)
We have similar advertising for the proposition in Arizona. I kind of wish it was getting a bit more national coverage as well, but much as I hate to admit it, it's probably a lost cause. Doesn't mean I won't be going in and voting a resounding no, of course.
cscottd
Oct. 18th, 2008 07:42 pm (UTC)
What gets me is the amount of misinformation that is being used to try to trick people into supporting these anti-gay-marriage proposals.

I was talking to my father the other day, and was surprised when he said "I wouldn't have any problem with gay marriage being legal, but it would mean the end of men's and women's restrooms, and I just can't agree with that."

First off, I was surprised that he didn't have problems with gay marriage (he's always been pretty homophobic, racist and misogynistic), but I was even more taken aback by his belief that gay marriage would lead to uni-sex restrooms.

He was convinced that it was true, because he'd seen someone talking about it on television.

here_be_dragons
Oct. 18th, 2008 09:55 pm (UTC)
Uni-sex restrooms? WTF? I hadn't heard that one before. And yeah, it is so sad that people believe this stuff! *whimpers*

(Love your icon, btw). :)
unnamedfeeling
Oct. 18th, 2008 07:47 pm (UTC)
*hug*

I don't even really give a stuff who wins presidency next month, but boy is this one issue VERY important to me. Vote NO!
hedwig_snowy
Oct. 18th, 2008 08:52 pm (UTC)
The outside groups are afraid that if Prop 8 fails their states would be next. Also, this is important as whichever way it goes means that it will probably be the law in California for quite awhile. Keeping gay marriage would likely be forever as more and more detractors would, well, die off and younger voters have other things to get riled up about.

And, let's not forget about all those heterosexual couples 'livin' in sin' that this would also effect. They sometimes miss that point. Ask Michigan couples how that worked out for them?

We have a similar measure here, Amendment 2. No on 2 and No on 8.

Edit: Read the comments in the thread. When I was school in OR, they had a similar measure funded by the OCA. Failed 3 times. After the 3rd vote I asked my Aunt who lives there how she voted. She said she voted for it (anti-gay) as she didn't think that they deserved "special rights". Arrrrrrrrrrrrg! Ignorance everywhere.

Edited at 2008-10-18 08:55 pm (UTC)
here_be_dragons
Oct. 18th, 2008 09:54 pm (UTC)
The outside groups are afraid that if Prop 8 fails their states would be next.

Oh, I'm fully aware that this is why they're pouring money into ad campaigns in our state. That doesn't stop me from being pissed off about it. :D

And yeah. "Special rights?" As if your aunt didn't already have the right to marry who she chose (as long as that person was a man)? *rolls eyes*

:)
edda
Oct. 18th, 2008 11:03 pm (UTC)
I'm amazed that they got a Baptist and a Methodist to hop into this. I'm kind of proud of that.

And I wish I lived in Cali, so I could vote no.
sageofgodalming
Oct. 19th, 2008 10:42 am (UTC)
Getting a rabbi to stand in front of that gloopy 'Good Shepherd' window was the biggest miracle of all, I think.
happy_potterer
Oct. 21st, 2008 05:36 am (UTC)
We chatted about it while the camera was being fiddled with. We all agreed it could as easily be Moses as Jesus. Or David, and we all know about him & Jonathan.

What's funny is that I had, if not the exact same window, a very close copy in my office in my previous church. Mass-produced Jesus, very disillusioning.
ms_mercury
Oct. 19th, 2008 02:03 am (UTC)
don't need to be told twice at all. =] no on 8 all the way!

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